Song view should work like Ableton Live's session view

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Today's song view is a bit of waste of real estate. Every track gets a whole row, and there's not much utility in that. Yes, you do see the track length which is nice, but the price of that is, after 8 rows, you're out of space and need to start scrolling.

A better implementation would be like Ableton Live's Session view, where each column represents a track and each row a scene. Each pad would then represent an entire track. Then there could be no need for confusing colors to designate which track belongs to which session. Rather, the "Audition" buttons would be used to launch an entire row

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    JohannesJohannes SwedenPosts: 2

    I really like this suggestion! :)

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    maimai Posts: 15
    edited October 2017

    Exactly this I thought since I received the Deluge. Horizontal rows should be scenes and vertical rows should be tracks. With this you have a much better overview (about 16 tracks at once and less of this color confusion). The current song view is a bit unclear and needs a lot of space on the grid (track doubles, variations etc.).

    I would love to see this.. :)

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    HorstmaistaHorstmaista Los AngelesPosts: 41
    Yeah that's a great idea!
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    DocRomplerDocRompler Pittsburgh PAPosts: 19

    This is an excellent idea. It would make it a lot easier to build longer compositions in a more efficient and less confusing way. The color coded audition pad system is really limiting when it comes to setting up additional scenes, especially if you want certain parts to keep playing. The only way to retain a track in a new scene is to duplicate it and this only adds to the track stack. There should be a more dynamic way to go about this, and this idea seems like a winner.

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    VoltVolt Posts: 14

    Yes, please! The current "song mode" is so confusing. We have to duplicate so many tracks...

    The way Ableton does the session view (by the way: it's not just Ableton, many other companies have a similar structure) would be ideal for the 16x8 grid of the Deluge!

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    the current song mode is more like a color coded "group solo" mode with an option for #repeats. Just an observation.

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    kinakina New ZealandPosts: 27

    I'm like 99% sure that Rohan and the crew would have a lawsuit on their hands if they took the session view from from ableton live.

    I'd be super keen on being proven wrong though, and it would be a powerful asset to the Deluge's capabilities!

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    IcoustikIcoustik NorwayPosts: 181

    Someone prove him wrong!!

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    VoltVolt Posts: 14
    edited October 2017

    Hi Kina. As I wrote there are many companies which are already using exactly the same method like Ableton's session view. So this seems very established and wouldn't be a problem.

    This feature could be a dream for performing (with a much better overview like now)... maybe an additional arrangement view so that we can build an fixed arrangement later, too?

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    MyrkMyrk Taunton, UKPosts: 70
    edited November 2017

    So vertical axis is tracks, and horizontal axis is time? I'm just wondering though, how would you know the length of each track you are playing? Would each square on the light pads be 1 bar? Or would it be as it is existing (except with the ability to zoom out further than the length of the largest track)? If you had unusual time sigs it might be difficult to know many many reps there are without having the existing song view... just a thought. I like this idea though - I guess there should be a way to jump between the 2 song modes?.

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    FASTFAST CaliforniaPosts: 24

    A KIT of Song sections in other words.

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    bloombloom Posts: 2

    ooh i really like to see 16 tracks at once. and beneath all the different clips to play and improving structures. :)

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    danieldaniel new zealandPosts: 1

    I was really hoping song view would be like Abletons arrangement view. Then you could visually layout compositions giving fully sequenced playback. This would not be a huge leap from the current song view layout, but would add massive utility.

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    tffshtttffshtt berlinPosts: 24

    yes please, makes it easier on melon heads like myself

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    tacharontacharon HamburgPosts: 14

    I like the general idea, but suggest to keep the horizontal track orientation. This keeps the mute button column functional and avoids a 90° rotation of a project depending on the view. Let's rather provide a "super view" in which different 'versions' of a track (song sections) are represented by the horizontal buttons of a track – like in Bitwig or GarageBand iOS.

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    trijammertrijammer AucklandPosts: 6
    edited January 5

    I'd really like to see some implementation of this idea. I feel like I can't really 'program' in a song in song view with complex changes, aside from duplicating and creating sections which can't really be automated easily. This would enable programming a complete song, without having to 'do it live' every time.

    Could potentially be reached via SHIFT + SONG for this alternative song / section programming view.

    I agree with it tacharon's suggestion of keeping tracks horizontal, so time still scrolls left to right. I'm imagining a FruityLoops style song view, basically like a condensed version of the current song view (as if zoomed right out), but where tracks can be brought in or repeated at different points on a horizontal timeline. Basically you can have multiple instances of a track on each horizontal row, spread out over time (left to right), and you could alternate between tracks easily.

    A track could still have its total length indicated by a bright light to start and dim lights for the remainder (could still be zoomed in / out but default could be 1 bar). It'd also be great with this style to be able to 'trim' an instance of a track short if needed for some stage in the song.

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    amiga909amiga909 SwitzerlandPosts: 54

    upvote. great idea about changing x/y axis, dont know if this will change..
    improvements to song/section is number one on my wishlist. I feel Deluge does better on song structures that have rather independent sections, maybe more like a pop song (chorus, verse, intro, ..), for song structures (lets say common for electronic music) where you have a lot of scenes that dont differ much, I end up cluttering the matrix very quickly with many clone duplicates. one way for improvement could be the mentioned ableton-ish way and see 16 tracks at once. i also like the idea of „manual tracks“ or a master section mentioned elsewhere, so you can have tracks that can play in multiple sections, and dont stop on section change, unlike the shared mode. dont know ..pretty sure others have put more thoughts on this topic than me.

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