Trance Gate Technique

Sliviz

Hi guys,

Hope you are all good? I just watched a video about the trance gate technique that you often hear in bicep and old hardcore/jungle tracks. Its basically a choppy vocal.

So up until now I have been manually taking an audio sample and either putting it into an arpeggiator with a short gate to achieve a choppy effect but nothing like this video I watched today by underdog academy. I have also tried manually placing short steps of a sample that has been clipped down but it just doesnt sound as good as what he is doing in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxyQNgNKUf8

Now my question is has anyone been able to achieve this effect on the deluge other than the way I have been doing it?

volsteh

sidechain on the vocal/chords, volume duck to -50?

edit: scratch that, not the same effect and it doesn't go in negative values on audio clips. The closest I get is by closing the filter then patching sidechain in filt. freq. -50, then edit sidechain attack-release. This also doesnt work in audio clips so if its a sample need to go with kits or synth....

Here is a quick demo, basically the kick is sent to sidechain and the sidechain opens the filter on the sample...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C4WZ1ByOkwnlwzuvcVWSnGLeu2Z7rIZ8/view?usp=sharing

Heptagen

Another way to achieve this is by modulating the volume with a square shaped LFO.

Sliviz

Thanks for the tips

jsilence

Not liking to see the sidechain occupied like this, since there is only one. Really like to use it for separating drums from bass and pads.

Would like to use more interesting patterns for the trans gate effect. Wondering whether the Blokas midi hub could be used to translate the notes to Midi CC which in turn operates the filter. Have to try this.

jsilence

Yes, that works quite nicely.

Using a midi clip on the Deluge sending notes out on Chan 4. Filtering chan 4 on the Midihub, transforming Note on event velocity to CC and having Note off events set the CC to zero.
On the audio track with the vocal sample, midi learn the LP filter while the Deluge is playing (and sending notes via the Midihub to return as CC values).

Then it is fun to play with note patterns on the midi track.

phillipadsmith

@jsilence said:
Yes, that works quite nicely.

Using a midi clip on the Deluge sending notes out on Chan 4. Filtering chan 4 on the Midihub, transforming Note on event velocity to CC and having Note off events set the CC to zero.
On the audio track with the vocal sample, midi learn the LP filter while the Deluge is playing (and sending notes via the Midihub to return as CC values).

Then it is fun to play with note patterns on the midi track.

Video please!

jsilence

I am dog tired atm and low on energy, so this video contains terrible singing.
Please forgive me. My brain feels like a raisin.

There is some aliasing on the end result. Not sure how to tackle that. Maybe a short attack ramp on the midi notes? Not sure whether that works.

phillipadsmith

@jsilence said:
I am dog tired atm and low on energy, so this video contains terrible singing.
Please forgive me. My brain feels like a raisin.

There is some aliasing on the end result. Not sure how to tackle that. Maybe a short attack ramp on the midi notes? Not sure whether that works.

Wow. Thank you! That MIDIHub is very powerful. Great demo video -- appreciated!

annaluise

Actually that gives you the ability to draw automation like on the Hapax!

phillipadsmith

Thinking this through... If the audio in question was loaded into a Kit clip row, would it not be possible to use per-step (parameter lock) automation on the volume to achieve a similar result? I wasn't able to figure out how (or if) I could per-step automate like that, but I was able to record automation that did something similar. Perhaps someone wiser than I can figure this out...?

jsilence

@phillipadsmith said:
Thinking this through... If the audio in question was loaded into a Kit clip row, would it not be possible to use per-step (parameter lock) automation on the volume to achieve a similar result? I wasn't able to figure out how (or if) I could per-step automate like that, but I was able to record automation that did something similar. Perhaps someone wiser than I can figure this out...?

You proposed method should work, but when you have a longer vocal sample you'd have to go thru the whole sample and automate it, which can be quite tedious.

BTW: I just saw in the video that I am not filtering for channel 4 in the Midihub patch. Would have to add one midi channel filter node so that not all incoming midi notes trigger the note to CC chain. Adding that node is trivial.

phillipadsmith

@jsilence said:

@phillipadsmith said:
Thinking this through... If the audio in question was loaded into a Kit clip row, would it not be possible to use per-step (parameter lock) automation on the volume to achieve a similar result? I wasn't able to figure out how (or if) I could per-step automate like that, but I was able to record automation that did something similar. Perhaps someone wiser than I can figure this out...?

You proposed method should work, but when you have a longer vocal sample you'd have to go thru the whole sample and automate it, which can be quite tedious.

Yes, and I just read something in the Facebook group that leads me to believe this kind of per-step automation is only possible for Kit or Synth rows, not audio rows (because they are essentially just one step).

jsilence

@phillipadsmith said:
... essentially just one step).

Ah yes, of course.

alphaminus

For me I either manually automate volume or filter per step, or use the sidechain. If you want to use the sidechain for something else, you can always resample your trance-gated instrument.