Been thinking about the Deluge but wanting more in/outs I was considering the MPC 4000. Was wondering if anyone here switch from MPC to Deluge, particularly the 4000.
if you can get it really cheap a MPC4000 is surely cool, would go for the new MPC X flagship as the 4k is discontinued since a long time.
as a complete standalone music production workstation a flagship MPC is superior of course - dont know how a 2500$ Deluge would look like though. u can hook up more gear, more fx, .. plus MPC OS has developed over about 30 years. saying that it is absolutely astonishing the Deluge is a serious contender already.
Deluge is rather a performance tool than a production workstation i reckon. it is rather made for playing live. rather than controlling a room full of hardware. Deluge can do that though but it does not have all the details like CC maps for external synths, patch dump recording (sysex), advanced audio routing, etc. ..
and Deluge should not try to do that if you ask me. for me its better than any MPC cause of the marvellous RGB grid sequencer, its portability and its fresh ideas.
mpc 4000 is huge compared to deluge. also sort of basic in some ways where deluge could be seen as fresh approach with its step multi-functional matrix (something i always wished mpc had). try banging out a beat on deluge standalone though, it doesnt work quite as well. but ask deluge to do things like deliver tight midi to more than a couple devices or output several parts as audio separately and you begin to see why the 4000 is pro gear.. 4000 was dropped right as akai was sold to numark and was left unfinished according to many at mpc forums. i have a few mpcs and honestly think they have their place. deluge is a fresh approach although limited in scope. mpc doesnt try to be too many things all at once and is also limited. deluge gives you a taste of many things. mpc could be seen as master of a couple. deluge is getting better over time. its apples and bananas honestly. both fruity but not so comparable as both are built on different paradigm. deluge and controller would be hard to beat these days imho but still needs refinement. that button matrix tho! if it were only implemented fully. deluge could be most amazing and is on its way there. expectations need to be realistic of course. limited focus could be seen as a good thing honestly. so mpc is already there with regard to limited scope but fully delivering on said scope while deluge is still on journey to fully delivering and scope is somewhat debatable. for a small company product, deluge is impressive but also more of a learning exercise it seems. for the price, deluge is in the process of delivering beyond mpc but cant match the degree to which mpc delivers on its limited scope. its hard to encapsulate these ideas in a simple statement.
id say thats a good overview / comparison @alien_brain
Yeah, I think what attracted me to the MPC 4000 over the Deluge was mainly the multiple audio and MIDI outs + rock solid timing, perhaps the extra knobs and sliders too. I like the workflow of the Deluge a bit better and of course it has it's own pluses over the MPC.
actually, the paradigm that the deluge is built around is very frugal and efficient but requires adherence and compromise. if youre not used to working with sampled stems, youll miss a lot of what the deluge is. there is a bit of room though, and you dont need to stick with one way of working. it gets easier if you are a genius or can write actual music haha (which i cant without a lot of pain)