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"Micro Timing" - (hold note & push-turn up/down knob)

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Like on the Analog Rytm, shift notes forward or backward in very small increments. This would be much easier than having to zoom in and out to make a small, quick adjustment to a note's placement.

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    hardwarecorehardwarecore wisconsin

    You are incredibly annoying, so I won't dignify you with any kind of serious response to that. Hopefully you'll catch on and act like an adult, just like everyone else has to do.

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    bracketsbrackets Barcelona

    +1

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    IcoustikIcoustik Norway

    +1 for micro timing :)

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    this plus fine note length adjustments using the left right knob would be awesome.

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    DarkRayDarkRay Croatia

    Shifting notes or whole track for 0-15 ms back or forward is essential for getting the right groove. This is one of the best function in ableton live. Especialy if u use some preshifted claps or shakers for example. + 1 for micro timing.

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    LjkLjk Austin Tx USA

    alternatively i just un-quantize the record function.

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    nosepeoplenosepeople United States

    +1

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    o0_o0_ SANTA MONICA

    don't know about the Elektron, but on the Pyramid, the note offset is expressed in percentages. 0% is the current step ( at whatever zoom level you are ) -100% is the previous step, +100% is the next step. So you can make timing adjustment without having to constantly zoom in and out.

    The offset is automatically calculated based on the zoom level, so a 25% offset at 16th is a 50% offset at 32th, and just falls on a step at 64th. The only annoying thing is that offsets are always expressed as a positive value from the previous step, instead of being relative to the closest step.

    IMHO having a -5% ( slightly early ) offset from the current step is more musically relevant than 95% offset from the previous steps.

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    nosepeoplenosepeople United States

    Like I mentioned on the other thread, I'd rather zoom in and see precisely where the note is relative to surrounding events, then have to only see the timing as a number, for one note at a time. The grid is a great display, let's use it.

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    nosepeoplenosepeople United States

    Was thinking about this some more, and if we're going to get microtiming down to the live record level, zooming in that far probably isn't practical. I'd still like to see more zoom though, and the microtiming feature hopefully will work at every level of zoom.

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    I think this is a feature that is badly needed, and I disagree that using the zoom function is practical. It is a major pain to zoom in on long sequences and go page after page to find the notes you want to edit. I think it makes sense from a functionality standpoint to be able to nudge notes from any view level that allows to distinguish individual notes in a sequence. I also think you should be able to adjust note length in a similar manner - I have a separate request thread open for that topic - please bump it if you agree.

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    nosepeoplenosepeople United States
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    I just realized, that there are only 12 sequencer ticks per 16th note (1).

    Some way to access these ticks would be great. But if I'm right, full Elektron or Pyramid style microtiming is unlikely to happen.

    This doesn't make the Deluge a bad device or a bad sequencer (I love the sequencer), but it's best to be realistic about expectations.

    (1) based on unquantized recording being 192nd notes. 16 * 12 = 192. Maybe there's more resolution available under the hood, but I wouldn't count on it.

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    mike505mike505 Germany

    +1 die microtiming.

    @nosepeople: Probe me wrong 192 is exactly the same Resolution as cirklon uses. Pyramid has 96 afaik.

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    nosepeoplenosepeople United States

    Cirklon is 192 ppqn - that's parts per quarter note.

    Deluge is 192nd notes - that's 1/4 the resolution, or 48 ppqn.

    The SOS review says the Pyramid is 96 ppqn. (Maybe that's why they use % microtuning, instead of actual ticks, to obscure the fact that the resolution is no better than an MPC 60 from 1988. They can't actually get 200 different locations at 64th note resolution (1600%, in Pyramid-speak) when they've only got 24 ticks to work with, can they. They can't even do it at 1/4 notes, where there are 96 ticks. But, I digress).

    In any case, given the purpose and the sort of styles the Deluge is aimed at, I don't think the maximum resolution is a big issue. For a lot of users it will be a complete non-issue. Personally I double the tempo and use the 8th note zoom level as default (which at double tempo is 16th notes), and that yields 96 ppqn effectively, same as the MPC 60 and the Pyramid.

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    mike505mike505 Germany

    Thanks for correcting me. Numbers don't mean anything without the corresponding Management unit;).

    For me it's Not Really an issues to only have 48ppqn. Good hint regarding the raise of speed to achieve higher Resolution.

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