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Cloned track with same synth

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Is it possible to have a cloned track using the exact same synth? So when you tweak the filter on track 1, this also affect track 2?

Because now stuff like cutoff is track specific and can be totally different.

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    MPrinsenMPrinsen Netherlands

    Nobody?

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    llexamllexam USA
    edited May 24

    Is it possible to have a cloned track using the exact same synth?

    Yes.

    So when you tweak the filter on track 1, this also affect track 2?

    Yes. But they cannot both play simultaneously. You can only play back the original or the clone, but not both at once. Any parameter automation will take over based on which track is playing (with recorded automation), and any edit to the synth or kit will be global because both tracks (clone+original) are referencing the same kit/synth instead of a copy.

    From page 27 of the current manual (v1.4):
    "However, it remains the case that only one track per synth or kit preset may play simultaneously..."

    Post edited by llexam on
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    amiga909amiga909 Switzerland

    There is a workaround described a few times by one of the regulars here (sorry dont remember right now).
    you can save a new synth preset, say track 1 and 2 both use preset 111. save one track to preset 111a and keep the other at 111. pretty straight-forward, however I didnt get it at first it depends on the preset number if a track is a clone or not.

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    MPrinsenMPrinsen Netherlands
    edited May 24

    I think I didn't make myself clear.

    Let me rewrite my question with an example:

    1) I create a synth track and add some notes.
    2) I clone this track
    3) I start playback in song mode
    4) I hold one of the pads of the 1st track and tweak the cutoff from 100% to 50%
    5) I press the launch pad of the 2nd track, so it starts playing after the 1st track is finished
    6) Now the synth cutoff is back at 100%!
    7) Now I press the launch pad of the 1st track again, so it starts playing after the 2nd track is finished
    8) Now the cutoff is back at 50%

    Conclusion: the cutoff is determined by the track, not the synth.

    Please note: I did NOT record the automation.

    For some reason, it appears each track has its own synth, or at least its own values for some of the parameters (like cutoff and resonance).

    I did notice though, that when I change some of the deeper parameters, these DO affect the synth on both tracks.

    Post edited by MPrinsen on
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    I understand what you mean now.

    You're right, all the quick access params are tied to the track itself (not global).
    Great feature. It allows me to quickly switch between subtle variations.

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    amiga909amiga909 Switzerland

    thanks for the clarification.
    actually I agree, it is not clear for me either.

    cloned tracks are somehow only half-breed clones. params like synth mode or transpose affect other clones, params like cutoff not. likely all params assigned to a golden knob dont affect other clones. then again, for example delay type (via push function) changes for all clones.

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    MPrinsenMPrinsen Netherlands

    It is pretty hard now to tweak the cutoff on the fly and change tracks at the same time...

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    AndrewMAndrewM Brisbane, AU

    This is something I'd like to see where several tracks are attached to the one synth/drum engine. It's like the MIDI tracks where 2A, 2B etc all go to the one external synth :)

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    MatthewGeorgeMatthewGeorge Cologne, Germany

    The gold knobs are mostly track specific but the matrix is global I believe.

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    amiga909amiga909 Switzerland

    would be nice if somebody could shed some light on the behaviour of cloned tracks. can only guess, manual doesnt seem to say much about cloned tracks. maybe: when playing live it is useful I can tweak params in one track and it does not translate to other tracks.
    however, i wish i understood which params affect all clones. param learns seem to affect other clones as well. seemed to me that for example transpose does affect all clones if changed via sound editor, however if transpose is learned to a knob this is not the case. will try some more stuff.
    little bit OT cloned tracks have another big "problem": you get effect tail cut and note tail cut when switching tracks. which really is not a common use case - should work at least for cloned tracks. i've seen the effect tail problem is solved in 2.0 :) note tail (note release or notes overlapping the track end) cut is still there.

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    rohanrohan Staff

    For two tracks using the same synth, most of the "continuous" parameters, like filter cutoff etc, which can be controlled with the gold knobs, are per-track. But other parameters which have various options you can cycle through, like "oscillator type", will affect the synth across all tracks.

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    AndrewMAndrewM Brisbane, AU

    Rohan - thanks for the clarification! - But I agree it would be nice in 2.0 if this kind of continuous controllers could be linked :)
    I guess I like the idea of what I do to one track also happens on the other if it's a clone. Maybe a differentiation between a clone and a copy of a track and if I "copy" then it make a separate copy of the synth, and if I clone it IS the same synth.

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    MPrinsenMPrinsen Netherlands
    edited May 28

    Yes it makes much more sense to me that all parameters are affecting the synth across all tracks. You can then still achieve a per track value by automating a parameter in a track.

    I often tweak some parameters on the fly in in a live performance. But now when I do this and I switch to a different variation of the melody, the synth "resets" which just sounds weird. I can't make smooth transitions between melodies while tweaking the sound on the fly.

    Would be a nice feature to turn this on/off per track (in a future update, not neccesarily 2.0 ;))

    Post edited by MPrinsen on
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