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Per step automation control for samples

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I've found that with long samples I often want to add reverb to a particular step in the sample or abruptly cut out the audio within a certain range, and my only option for doing that right now (AFAIK) involves manually turning the reverb and volume knobs while recording. I often can't turn them quickly enough from 0 to full (or vice versa) to create a clean cutoff or apply an effect satisfyingly, so I've thought that the ability to hold a pad within a sample and set the value of a parameter for just that step would be extremely useful.

Is there any other way to easily add abrupt blank space (or cut out a range) within a sample?

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    alien_brainalien_brain this side of common sense

    live? not really. step? you already found it.

    i posted and you had to read it. get over it.

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    dest4bdest4b Frankfurt, Germany

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    @dest4b good point, it would be useful for pads and other sounds that evolve over time too.

    @alien_brain darn, I'm hoping they focus a bit on live sample manipulation/looping functionality with the upcoming updates. The Deluge is so close to being an extremely powerful tool for real time improvisation with samples.

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    alien_brainalien_brain this side of common sense

    close i agree

    i posted and you had to read it. get over it.

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    n00bn00b Space

    I haven't tried it myself yet, but would creating a 'ghost' track like in this video maybe work:

    https://youtu.be/bZvafWWtegw?t=1m58s

    I'll at least give it a go tomorrow and let you know if it works.

    'Bad sound kills good music!'

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    edited May 3

    Very interesting, I hadn't seen that before. It seems like a bug so I'm hesitant to base my workflow off of it, but it does the trick for saving particular automation values for monophonic patches. Not sure if it'd work in kit mode though.

    I'm interested to hear how your experiment turns out!

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    n00bn00b Space

    @Jscottk said:
    Not sure if it'd work in kit mode though.

    I was thinking the same! ;)

    I'm interested to hear how your experiment turns out!

    I will let you know for sure, though it's a wonderful sunny day out here, so I'll probably get to it in the evening.
    Time to catch me some sun and vitamine D's B)

    'Bad sound kills good music!'

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    n00bn00b Space

    So I tried in anyway possible I could think off, but unfortunately it didn't work as I could imagine it to work......but with the speed updates and new functionalities are coming, I could imagine it will be possible at one point.

    'Bad sound kills good music!'

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    edited May 6

    Did you try setting a new synth to type sample (with the "file" parameter set to the sample you want to manipulate)? I was thinking that'd be the best bet for making this technique work.

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    n00bn00b Space

    Actually not, I tried it on a sample in a kit track.
    So new experiment to be tried out I guess.

    To be continued.....

    'Bad sound kills good music!'

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    minigoatminigoat cincinnati ohio usa

    Off the top o ma head...create a synth track, set osc to sample, make the note length on the grid at C2, then hold on a step on a note above or below C2 and make your knob adjustment at that step, then erase the step. To get volume drops, just lock the volume to a step like any other available parameter.
    Im not at my deluge right now, but thats how im thinking it works.
    Hope it helps.

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    edited May 8

    Just tried it out and it works! The only change I made to @minigoat's approach is place the sample at C3 (middle C) instead of C2 to play it back unaltered.

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    minigoatminigoat cincinnati ohio usa

    😎 @jscottk. Yea, i just took a guess at which octave C is set to play straight at. Glad you got it tho.

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    n00bn00b Space

    Sweet!

    'Bad sound kills good music!'

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    alien_brainalien_brain this side of common sense

    theres a first time for everything!

    i posted and you had to read it. get over it.

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    jbone1313jbone1313 Tucson, Arizona, USA

    @minigoat said:
    Off the top o ma head...create a synth track, set osc to sample, make the note length on the grid at C2, then hold on a step on a note above or below C2 and make your knob adjustment at that step, then erase the step. To get volume drops, just lock the volume to a step like any other available parameter.
    Im not at my deluge right now, but thats how im thinking it works.
    Hope it helps.

    Thanks for this suggestion. It does not work for me. I did just as you said, but it is always adjusting the parameter (e.g. frequency or volume) for all the steps.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks!

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    minigoatminigoat cincinnati ohio usa
    edited May 17

    @jbone1313 by saying "for all the steps", do you mean the steps vertical to each other, or all steps including those left and right of where you are trying to lock?
    Unfortantaly, the deluge dosnt pin a parameter literaly to a step, but more to that spot in time. So, it is not as if it were a "partical" but more as a "wave" in time...meaning when you set say, resonance to 90, 5 steps in, all on that track will get the res bumped there. Even kit tracks.
    Now, once you have bumped that spot in time, at say 90, it will stay there until you set another value along the timeline.
    So maybe your not getting the effect because your not adding another lock near-by?
    Just my guess without knowing what you are or are not doing more specifically.

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    jbone1313jbone1313 Tucson, Arizona, USA
    edited May 17

    @minigoat said:
    @jbone1313 by saying "for all the steps", do you mean the steps vertical to each other, or all steps including those left and right of where you are trying to lock?
    Unfortantaly, the deluge dosnt pin a parameter literaly to a step, but more to that spot in time. So, it is not as if it were a "partical" but more as a "wave" in time...meaning when you set say, resonance to 90, 5 steps in, all on that track will get the res bumped there. Even kit tracks.
    Now, once you have bumped that spot in time, at say 90, it will stay there until you set another value along the timeline.
    So maybe your not getting the effect because your not adding another lock near-by?
    Just my guess without knowing what you are or are not doing more specifically.

    Thanks for the reply. It is adjusting for all the steps horizontally.

    I simply add a sample on the first step. The note length is the entire 16 steps. Then, on the next row up, on the 9th step, I attempt to add a lock as you described, but it does not work. It is just adjusting the value for the whole track, instead of that one step.

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    Ah I think you're running into an issue I saw too. Values set with this technique seem to "stick" until the loop restarts, so you need to add another note where you want the value to return to the original number.

    In order to "blank" out a step in a sample I had to place a note above the sample with a volume of 0 at the step and then place another note next to it (at the step I wanted the audio to return) with a higher volume value.

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    jbone1313jbone1313 Tucson, Arizona, USA

    @Jscottk said:
    Ah I think you're running into an issue I saw too. Values set with this technique seem to "stick" until the loop restarts, so you need to add another note where you want the value to return to the original number.

    In order to "blank" out a step in a sample I had to place a note above the sample with a volume of 0 at the step and then place another note next to it (at the step I wanted the audio to return) with a higher volume value.

    Thank you. Kit track or synth track?

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    jbone1313jbone1313 Tucson, Arizona, USA

    I got it working. It works great once you get the hang of it. I found I can do everything on one track/row.

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    Awesome, glad to hear you got it working! A synth track is the way to go (for anyone else struggling with this).

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