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Hello!
I just bought the Deluge and I'm amazed by it. I want to make it the main gear of my setup so I'm trying things and I am worried about something.
I want to connect an AKAI MPX16 to the deluge. When I receive MIDI from it I can use the pads to trigger sample sounds, but I would like the track I'm recording, when the deluge is on PLAY, to send back the MIDI to the MPX16 so the latter is my controller and the playing sampler while the Deluge is just the sequencer.
I'm afraid that this create a MIDI loop and freeze/kill my Deluge.
Anyone knows if this would work?

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    alien_brainalien_brain yer moms house

    make sure 'thru' is turned off on the akai and then you should be set

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    AkenAken Montreal

    Thank you for your answer! I'll do some tests tomorrow ^^

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    SamSam WellingtonModerator, Staff

    Hi @Aken, you should be fine. As @alien_brain mentioned, just enable midi 'thru' in the settings menu. Go to "Settings" > "MIDI" > "THRU" to select "on" or "off" :)

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    alien_brainalien_brain yer moms house

    @Sam are you sure bruv? seems like you got it backwards

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    SamSam WellingtonModerator, Staff

    @alien_brain haha are you referring to the direction of the brackets/arrows? ( >< )

    For what it's worth, I've always thought about them as arrows (i.e. "settings" THEN "MIDI" THEN "THRU"), but maybe I've been doing this the wrong way around! :lol: I can understand how it might make sense to have them the other way when we're talking about levels

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    alien_brainalien_brain yer moms house

    mid from akai to track in deluge. midi re-transmitted to akai for trigger onboard sampler. if midi thru on akai is 'ON', midi loop ensues. turn midi thru 'OFF' on akai to avoid problem with infinate midi loop scenario posed by OP

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    SamSam WellingtonModerator, Staff

    Yeah, @alien_brain's correct! You want any MIDI thru feature on the akai to be turned off, with the Deluge's MIDI thru turned on, which will avoid a loop.

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    AkenAken Montreal

    Hello!
    So here is an update: I went nowhere haha.

    1) There is no midi thru option on the AKAI MPX16, but I think there is no midi thru anyway, since the midi is very basically implemented.

    2) The main problem is that there is no such thing on the Deluge either. Lets say the midi comes in on a kit track via learn assignations, then I don't know how to properly send out that resulting midi. I turned on MIDI thru but the MPX16 sends on 10 and receives on 1. I tried something else by creating a MIDI track that i send to midi chan 1, but I don't know how I could "link" the instrument and midi tracks on the Deluge.

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    alien_brainalien_brain yer moms house

    i give up

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    minigoatminigoat cincinnati ohio usa

    Learn your mpx16 pads onto a deluge midi track set to anything but ch1...then copy the notes onto a deluge midi track set to send on 10?

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    minigoatminigoat cincinnati ohio usa

    Or try learing the pads onto midi ch1. The deluge will jus learn whatever it is sent

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    minigoatminigoat cincinnati ohio usa

    If your pads send on 10, you should be able to learn onto a midi track set to 1, which will send out to your pads that receive on 1.
    Maybe im missing something?

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    SamSam WellingtonModerator, Staff
    edited April 4

    @Aken Ah, I think misunderstood the question (as well as the response) previously, sorry. MIDI thru might not be what you want after all. If I'm reading correctly this time, you want the MPX16 to be the sampler and to be able to play the pads on it. The Deluge would work as a sequencer, as well as recording pad presses when you want it to? If this is the case, then you want to learn the MPX16 pads to the audition pads of a Deluge MIDI track that's sending out on channel 1, back to the MPX16. This way, the MPX16 will send to the Deluge, which can record it and then send it back to the MPX16 on it's receiving channel (channel 1). It won't create a loop because the MPX16 isn't sending the same MIDI information back to the Deluge again (provided that it doesn't have a MIDI thru feature that's turned on).

    Sorry for the confusion. Is this what you're looking for?

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    AkenAken Montreal
    edited April 5

    Hello again :)
    Sorry for the late reply I was a bit busy lately.
    So I did like you said, i.e. learning pas on a MIDI track of Deluge (I don't know why I didn't think about it earlier) and it works! BUT.

    Fortunately, it doesn't loop because there is no MIDI thru on the AKAI, so when I hit a pad on the AKAI, it goes in the deluge via the ch. 10 and the deluge send back the data in the AKAI via the ch. 1 and it ends there. The issue tho, is that i hear every sound 2 times because it is triggered 1 time with my finger and a second time when the signal comes back from the deluge.
    The only workaround I found was to change the MIDI send channel on the deluge when I'm playing on the AKAI, but it means that I can't "overdub", meaning I have to record 1 shot, quickly change back the MIDI ch. back to 1 when I'm done, and eventually add things on the deluge, which is not very convenient haha

    If you have ideas I take but I' under the impression that I'll have to finally use samples from the Deluge ^^

    I actually liked the AKAI onboard sampler because I can change the sample start and end, which are very important paramaters for me and I didn't find this on the Deluge yet, or maybe they exist but are not easily accessible?

    oh and, now I'm here: Is there a way to have a pad playing directly at 127 (max velocity) when we activate it on the deluge? they are 64 by default and the AKAI is 127 by default and I think I like it more at 127 + the discrepency between the two makes it a bit impractical :pensive:

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    alien_brainalien_brain yer moms house

    does the akai have a local on/off setting?

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    SamSam WellingtonModerator, Staff
    edited April 7

    Hi @Aken! Interesting that you're getting this problem. I can't think of a solution/workaround off the top of my head, aside from the one you're currently using, but if I think of anything I'll post it here. Apart from that, @alien_brain's got a good point there - is there any way on the Akai to stop it from playing samples when the pads are pressed and just output MIDI? (With samples being triggered only by incoming MIDI)

    As far as start/end point editing, the Deluge can actually do that. Hold down the audition pad for the sample you want to edit, and then press the shortcut for start/end up in the top-left corner of the edit pads. If you got the shortcuts printed, they should say "start" and "end" underneath them, with "Zone" to the left of the "end" pad. If you didn't get the shortcuts printed, the "start" pad is the top-left corner edit pad, while the "end" pad is the one directly below it. You can also access these features through the sound editor menu.

    The default velocity question is a bit trickier. Unfortunately there's no way to change the default velocity at the moment, although it's quite a common request. There should be a suggestion already on the software suggestions page, if you would like to upvote it.

    Hope that helps :smile:

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    AkenAken Montreal

    is there any way on the Akai to stop it from playing samples when the pads are pressed and just output MIDI? (With samples being triggered only by incoming MIDI)

    Unfortunately not, the MPX16 is a very basic piece of gear when it comes to MIDI implementation (which is a shame for it's price imo).

    For the start and end points, thank you!, the controls are a bit touchy with the shift to select->edit the sound without triggering it, but the process is overall decent and I can use the pads of my AKAI so I'm good!

    The Deluge is amazing and so is your support :)

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    AkenAken Montreal
    edited April 9

    The sampler is actually 1000 times better on the Deluge since it is coupled with the sequencer... I'm playing with effects on isolated steps, it is just way too awesome.

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    AkenAken Montreal

    Btw, I don't know if it is a feature, a bug or a limitation, but when I press the RECORD button and that I want to play the drums via the AKAI pads and a synth on the deluge at the same time, it doesnt work :P
    I can record the drums while being on the synth track, but I can't record both the drums and the synth: if i start playing the synth it will not take into account in the recording any of what im playing on the pads and if i start playing on the pads and then introduce the synth (all while recording), the deluge will cease to record the midi coming from the pads as soon as i start playing the synth.

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    SamSam WellingtonModerator, Staff

    Hi @Aken! Sorry this has taken me a while to get back to. Glad you're enjoying the Deluge sampler! The problem you're referring to in your last post does seem to be a bug, sorry - Rohan's going to investigate and I'll get back to you if he finds anything :)

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