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Prompted by a post on the Reddit group I figured out a technique where you could 'automatically' sample external synths so that you can load them into the Deluge as a multi-sample instrument. I'll just copy and paste the text below. I've got it to a point where you can auto create audio clips for each note but then I don't know what to do with the audio clips (in terms of naming and saving them).

From Reddit post:

_Create a Synth track (just use any preset). Then on the grid put down notes at the start of the pattern that you want to sample and make them the entire length of the clip.

Now go into the Arpeggio (ARP) settings and set: Mode = UP, Octaves = 1, Sync = 1 bar

Press play on the Deluge and you should hear each note played individual each time the clip loops.

Go to Song mode.

Add an Audio track and set the input to 'OUTPUT' (this is just to resample the Deluge output, you'd set it different for external input)

Hold down RECORD and change the mode of the audio track (press the MUTE/LAUNCH pad) to flashing red.

Press PLAY and then just as the last note in your arpeggio chord is playing, hold down RECORD and press the AUDITION pad on the track BELOW the audio track.

The Deluge will record individual audio tracks for each note.

Press the MUTE pad on the last audio track to stop recording.

Now, at this point, we have several audio clips containing a single note but I don't know (yet) how to save those so that you could the load them as a multi-sample set._

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    neilbaldwinneilbaldwin UKPosts: 76

    Actually, an even simpler way would be to layer up the notes you want to sample in the Deluge MIDI clip then set the Iteration setting for each note so the first note plays 1 of 8, second note play 2 of 8 and so on (depending on how many note you want to sample).

    I've just tried it to sample my Elektron M:S and it works great.

    Just still can't figure an easy way to deal with the resulting samples apart from putting the SD card into a computer and creating a folder to move them in to.

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    amiga909amiga909 Central EuropePosts: 1,003

    creative approach 😀
    Iteration for multis with up to 8 samples is a nice idea. Dont know if its really faster than just making a long clip and place the notes as usual.
    If I get u right, u want a way to do multis all on the Deluge without ejecting the SD card. I dont think this is possible as you need a folder for multis and there is no way to move samples out of the temp or resample folders. If I have to use a computer I just record it as a long audio and process it with a silence detection splitter. If I remember right I dont have to tell you - there is a tool made by you, originally for transient slicing 😀

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    neilbaldwinneilbaldwin UKPosts: 76

    Haha! Yes, it's far from ideal but actually more handy for doing Kits - the resulting samples are far easier loaded into a Kit than as multi-samples. Not sure if it's much use in it's current form but it made me think there should be a shortcut like: hold a grid pad on an Audio clip and press SAVE to save the sample into the SAMPLES folder (with naming etc.). Or also raised up the issue of the Deluge desperately needing some basic folder/file operations from the Setup menu.

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    neilbaldwinneilbaldwin UKPosts: 76

    Oh and watch this space for Delslice V3. Having a few teething problems but it will be working soon I think.

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    amiga909amiga909 Central EuropePosts: 1,003

    Cool i ll watch out for the new version, I made a basic silence trim slicer with bash and a mac library called sox, a python script probably can do a better job.

    @neilbaldwin said:
    Haha! Yes, it's far from ideal but actually more handy for doing Kits - the resulting samples are far easier loaded into a Kit than as multi-samples. Not sure if it's much use in it's current form but it made me think there should be a shortcut like: hold a grid pad on an Audio clip and press SAVE to save the sample into the SAMPLES folder (with naming etc.).

    Interesting idea, yeah. This would come handy for the Deluge slicer too, I often wished I could make drumkits from sliced beats.

    Or also raised up the issue of the Deluge desperately needing some basic folder/file operations from the Setup menu.

    There was an old suggestion to let the Deluge act as SD card reader when connected via USB to a computer. Ideally while the Deluge is operating as usual. Most OS already have powerful folder/file operations so why force it to the tiny Deluge display. If I could hook up my phone and access the files it would be a better solution I think. Really wonder if this is possible technically.

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    staubistaubi Erlangen/GermanyPosts: 25

    @neilbaldwin said:
    Prompted by a post on the Reddit group I figured out a technique where you could 'automatically' sample external synths so that you can load them into the Deluge as a multi-sample instrument. I'll just copy and paste the text below. I've got it to a point where you can auto create audio clips for each note but then I don't know what to do with the audio clips (in terms of naming and saving them).

    From Reddit post:

    _Create a Synth track (just use any preset). Then on the grid put down notes at the start of the pattern that you want to sample and make them the entire length of the clip.

    Now go into the Arpeggio (ARP) settings and set: Mode = UP, Octaves = 1, Sync = 1 bar

    Press play on the Deluge and you should hear each note played individual each time the clip loops.

    Go to Song mode.

    Add an Audio track and set the input to 'OUTPUT' (this is just to resample the Deluge output, you'd set it different for external input)

    Hold down RECORD and change the mode of the audio track (press the MUTE/LAUNCH pad) to flashing red.

    Press PLAY and then just as the last note in your arpeggio chord is playing, hold down RECORD and press the AUDITION pad on the track BELOW the audio track.

    The Deluge will record individual audio tracks for each note.

    Press the MUTE pad on the last audio track to stop recording.

    Now, at this point, we have several audio clips containing a single note but I don't know (yet) how to save those so that you could the load them as a multi-sample set._

    Yesterday I sampled 8 octaves from my oldschoold Korg 01/w like described above way (while watching Superbooth20 home edition). It worked like a charm!
    Here are my learnings:
    -- Learn the looper function! This drove me crazy at first, but after manual digging and some exercising I feel comfortable now.
    -- Be careful with the input level. Take your time to set the level right just below the clipping points for high, medium and low range notes.
    -- After 3 octaves the MIDI send and looping got slightly out of sync. As a result the samples of higher notes contain about 90ms of the previous note. This may not be a deluge issue but an issue of my 01/w.
    -- At first I tried to sample only 4 notes per octave.
    --- When creating a multisample instrument from the recorded samples the deluge did not detect the pitch properly because of the above effect. So I tried to give the deluge hints by writing the correct note in the file names.
    --- Doing so I completely lost overview while renaming the bunch of files of my computer, So I deleted them and simply sampled every semitone over 8 octaves. Brute force, but that worked fine :-)
    -- Still the samples contained some miliseconds of the previous note. I set the start point manually for a single note on the deluge behind that point (at about 100ms) and copy/replaced that XML-text with a text editor in the multisample-synth.XML on my computer.
    This took me a total of 2 hours including all errors and learnings. With some routine it's realistic to create an 8 octave full multisample in 15 or even less minutes.

    Brass side of life: JTK and SHCB

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    neilbaldwinneilbaldwin UKPosts: 76

    Oh, I meant to update this because I discovered something that you'll want to address:

    By default the 'fade in' is on when sampling. This is when the Deluge samples a little bit before actual sampling takes place. If you're sampling in this way to the use as samples for an instrument you'll discover that there's a couple of ms on the front of the sample that you don't want. Go into settings and (I think) into Record and the setting is in there somewhere - turn it off. It's very useful for 'regular' looper sampling but in this case you want it off otherwise your samples will be triggering slightly late.

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    staubistaubi Erlangen/GermanyPosts: 25
    edited April 25

    Cool hint. I will try this later today!

    Post edited by staubi on

    Brass side of life: JTK and SHCB

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    amiga909amiga909 Central EuropePosts: 1,003

    @neilbaldwin said:
    Oh, I meant to update this because I discovered something that you'll want to address:

    By default the 'fade in' is on when sampling. This is when the Deluge samples a little bit before actual sampling takes place. If you're sampling in this way to the use as samples for an instrument you'll discover that there's a couple of ms on the front of the sample that you don't want. Go into settings and (I think) into Record and the setting is in there somewhere - turn it off. It's very useful for 'regular' looper sampling but in this case you want it off otherwise your samples will be triggering slightly late.

    thanks, forgot about that setting. its RECORD/MARGins.
    it only applies when recording to an Audio clip though. tested it, there are no added ms when recording directly to the RESAMPLE folder.

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    neilbaldwinneilbaldwin UKPosts: 76

    @amiga909 said:

    @neilbaldwin said:
    Oh, I meant to update this because I discovered something that you'll want to address:

    By default the 'fade in' is on when sampling. This is when the Deluge samples a little bit before actual sampling takes place. If you're sampling in this way to the use as samples for an instrument you'll discover that there's a couple of ms on the front of the sample that you don't want. Go into settings and (I think) into Record and the setting is in there somewhere - turn it off. It's very useful for 'regular' looper sampling but in this case you want it off otherwise your samples will be triggering slightly late.

    thanks, forgot about that setting. its RECORD/MARGins.
    it only applies when recording to an Audio clip though. tested it, there are no added ms when recording directly to the RESAMPLE folder.

    Yeah that's true but the 'auto sampling' idea uses audio clip recording so it definitely does apply there man :)

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