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Question about types of MIDI messages

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I am about to delve into parameter control of Deluge parameters via MIDI CC messages and would like to clarify what kind of messages the Deluge understands.

Obviously regular 7bit messages are supported but does the Deluge understand 14bit messages (which might be useful for time tuning a sample's pitch/transposition)?

Also, does the Deluge understand increment/decrement messages? They are a great way to go beyond 7bit resolution without having to send two bytes per message.

Many thanks!

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    amiga909amiga909 Central EuropePosts: 955

    with 14bit u mean NRPN? no.
    dont know what kind of standard you mean with incr./decr. messages. there is no sysex control.

    you can check the midi implementation chart in the manual. the right column lists all types of midi messages for remote control.

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    funkymothersfunkymothers LondonPosts: 39

    Thank you, amiga909 - I must have overlooked the implementation. I am after something like this: https://nickfever.com/music/midi-cc-list see CC 96 and 97. DAW use this to be able to have high resolution control over a parameter set where 128 values would not be enough.

    For example EQ gain +/- 15dB would not be possible at 0.1dB per step resolution with absolute MIDI CC messages but works well with INC/DEC messages.

    The most obvious candidates for high resolution CC are pitch and perhaps filter cutoff. I was just wondering how to best approach making presets for my Faderfox EC4. http://www.faderfox.de/ec4.html

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    amiga909amiga909 Central EuropePosts: 955

    @funkymothers said:
    Thank you, amiga909 - I must have overlooked the implementation. I am after something like this: https://nickfever.com/music/midi-cc-list see CC 96 and 97.

    these CC are part of NRPN messages. NRPN consist of a bunch of CC messages.
    related
    http://forums.synthstrom.com/discussion/comment/9015

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    funkymothersfunkymothers LondonPosts: 39
    edited February 20

    Just to update this thread in case anybody else is following it: Deluge supports both, absolute, and relative MIDI CC messages. See p.58 of the manual "Assigning Knobs to Parameters".

    I tested TRANSPOSE and it makes no difference in the Deluge's response so presumably external MIDI CC messages are quantised to 128 steps regardless of whether they are absolute or relative. The internal parameter range/resolution of the Deluge is much higher though.

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    amiga909amiga909 Central EuropePosts: 955

    thanks forthe info. just remembering, you might get finer control with learning pitchbend messages. in another thread it was reported u can learn pitchbend to other params than pitch. havent tried, might be a workaround for your use case. pitchbend messages have a much wider range than CCs. http://forums.synthstrom.com/discussion/comment/11632#Comment_11632

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    funkymothersfunkymothers LondonPosts: 39

    @amiga909 said:
    thanks forthe info. just remembering, you might get finer control with learning pitchbend messages. in another thread it was reported u can learn pitchbend to other params than pitch. havent tried, might be a workaround for your use case. pitchbend messages have a much wider range than CCs. http://forums.synthstrom.com/discussion/comment/11632#Comment_11632

    Using PB makes no difference - the Deluge still quantises incoming messages to 7bit. It's exactly the same behaviour as when using normal 7bit CCs albeit with a greater number of knob turns.

    It's not really a problem as in a normal scenario assigning a MIDI CC to TRANSPOSE is about making quick shifts (which the Deluge seems to quantise to semitones) rather than making adjustments in Cents or Hundredths of semitones (which can still be made via the Deluge's internal engine).

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